What coulda been
A little bit of an historical post today, regarding my Mom’s family and how I could have been a born and bred New Yorker.
In 1827, my Great-Great-Grandfather John Butler sailed from Bristol to New York City, where he planned to set up a business. At first, he stayed at 120 Maiden Lane, which is deep in the heart of the Financial District, and now looks like this:
My Mom sent me transcripts of letters john Butler sent home to his wife Philippa, where he wrote about the high price of coal, the annoying “muskeetas”, and about New Yorkers’ bad health, caused by their tendency to “drink their bitters… soon as up and thro’ the day, thus in warm weather adding fuel to fire and laying themselves open to disease.”
Nonetheless, things were good enough for his wife and their children to join him in 1829, and they moved to 371 Grand Street, now on the edge of the Garment District. I was rather hoping for a charming brownstone, steeped in romance and history, but these days it looks like this:
In the end, it turned out that the Butlers decided South Africa would be a better bet, so they left New York and moved to Cradock, and the rest is history.
It’s been quite poignant for me to hunt down my own piece of family history in New York, and there’s a little bit of “what if…?” about it all. But of course, if the Butlers had stayed, I’d never have existed, and who would have taken photos of their one-time street addresses then?
PS: Whoops, not that it matters to anyone reading, but for historical accuracy, I must add the following corrections, courtesy of my Mom (thanks, Ma!):
1. John Butler was my Great-great-great-Grandfather.
2. He actually died in NYC and is buried in the Quaker cemetery in Prospect Park, Brooklyn. His wife and the two kids (Harriet and Philip) eventually returned to Bristol.
3. Philip was a London businessman, and it was his son Charles who came to South Africa in the late 1800s, and was the father of my granny.
Thanks for the clarifications, Ma! xx
francesca
oh i love this heather! it is so fascinating to trace your family history like that, and those letters – what a treasure! it’s a shame the brownstone is a little more greystone, but scrolling down, that photo did make me chuckle!
lovely post. x
skinnylaminx
Glad you enjoyed it, Francesca. I think that having had a bit of family history here has made me a lot more interested in knowing more about the history of this city. We visited the Tenement Museum last week, and there’s a dizzying array of historical accounts from every conceivable angle. Would like to take one of those books back home with me. xx
DoJo
This is so exciting honey! Thanks for doing some digging up of ancestors for me. Just one point though – I think you should stick to Skinny laMinxing – historical accuracy just aint one of your strong points!!! Will fill you in more when you get home! But wow, fantastic! Thank you.
skinnylaminx
Whoops, I thought I’d checked all my facts, but forgot to get in touch with the expert. xx
Jacilyn
Very cool! Last year I did a lot of genealogy research on my family. I’ve looked up old addresses like you did too. It is very fun.
Love your blog here, I’m a new follower.
lusummers
this is fascinating! (even if it’s historically inaccurate 😉 such a shame it’s less romantic than you envisioned, but it must have been ‘shivery’ standing in the places your grandparents stood?
my what if? moments come when i think of my dad, aged 19, leaving the family business for a few years of bumming around australia – a big deal in those days, took 6 weeks by boat – he’d have stayed for sure if the family business hadn’t burnt to the ground. he came home to help his parents with the clean-up, met my mum and i came along and bob’s yer bloomin’ uncle. i’ve probably got heaps of half brothers and sisters running around perth…he was a one, my dad, back in the day 😉
skinnylaminx
Funny, that. I’ve always thought you’d make a great Aussie – you seem like a sunshine and wide open spaces kinda gal. Well, you’ve got the wide open spaces. Now, that sunshine bit…
xx
lusummers
so true heather – i think i’m a aussie in my heart…(sorry for the delay in replying, i’ve been running around wide open spaces in the spanish sunshine) but amazingly, we’ve got sunshine at the moment, so i’m cook-a-hoop!
i’ve been so loving your new york posts, i feel like i’ve been looking over your shoulder for the past few weeks!
skinnylaminx
I THOUGHT someone was breathing in my ear. Smelled of Kangaroo Paella, I thought 🙂 xx
Charleen
Thanks for all the lovely NY posts. What a busy, funfilled time you are having!
Enjoy the rest of your stay.
Shirley
Always a fun to discover a bit of your roots. Funny enough, I discovered I had some earlier roots in the good ole US of A after last summer’s trip back to China. I discovered that my great, great grandfather came to the US in the 1900s (when the Chinese were banned from US entry) and bought ‘paper son’ documents for both of his sons (one of them being my great grandfather, though neither were his legal sons since sons were very prized and therefore some sons were “adopted”). If my great grandfather (a local doctor) wasn’t such a gambler and gambled away his ‘paper son’ documents, I would have been (assuming I would still exist) a 3rd generation American (or thereabouts), instead of being 1st generation! And rather than having my parents toil away to make a fortune here, my father would have been educated here and could speak fluent English and yah di yah di yah. Of course, he wouldn’t have met my mother and he wouldn’t have understood the struggle of being poor in China and he wouldn’t have passed on his strong work ethic to me and well, I wouldn’t have existed anyway. Still…. good to know what could’ve been. Funny how one moment changes everything.
Did you get a chance to find his marker (if it still existed and legible) at Prospect Park? Reading your journey in NYC has inspired me to learn even more about this city. The next time I’m there I’ll have to check out the tenement museum and seek out more cemeteries.
skinnylaminx
Wow, what an interesting tale – thanks for sharing. I’m delighted that so many people have been thinking about their ancestors (judging by all the comments on this post). I’m not generally historically inclined at all, but somehow, because it’s my family, this has caught my imagination. xx
Athol
During our quick visit last year Gayle and I visited Prospect Park and tried to visit the Quaker graveyard but it was closed on the day – very dissapointing. It is well worth the visit though. Prospect Park is beautiful on a spring day and the Quacker graveyard is lovely and peaceful, tucked into a little forest. It would be quite incredible if the records of his burial are there.
skinnylaminx
Hi Athol Apparently the Quaker Cemetery is kept closed, but I’ve emailed the Clerk of the Meeting, who may be able to let me in. Let’s see – time is starting to run short! I may just go over and leave some flowers for Great great great Grandpa Butler. xx
Kat
How great that you did a little personal history digging. Looks like you’re having a wonderful time. Enjoy!
Prue
I’ve been working on my family history this year too. The most incredible thing I’ve come up with is my great great grandmother’s first husband went to New Guinea and was eaten by natives. It’s amazing what you learn when you do a little digging!
skinnylaminx
Yikes!
Terri
Very interesting Heather! I was surprised to discover recently that my great great great grandparents on my mom’s side lived in a house around the corner from where I live now in South London in 1859. Very odd considering I’m a born and bred South African. I was also amazed to see that my artistic talent was inherited from my dad’s line, all the way back to the 1700’s in England, everyone worked in the creative field; a portrait painter, two architects, an art historian, an authority on church restoration and stone carvings and a graphic designer. Amazing.
Steven Huang
I email some of the Friends/Quakers I knew from 15th Street Friends/Quaker Meeting in NYC and hope they can reply & help you in time to arrange for a cemetery visit before you leave NYC.
skinnylaminx
Dear Steven This is incredibly kind of you! Thanks so much for making the effort with this – you have been so very generous to us. And what a surprise to find out that you’re a Quaker too. I come from a long line of Quakers, although I haven’t been to Meeting for years now. xx
Steven Huang
I just got call from a guy I know who’s on the Cemetery Committee & he can help with an Early Saturday Morning visit. I email you his mobile phone #, please CALL HIM as soon as possible to make arrangement. I hope you get to visit!
Masha
Cool story. I love the “Whooops” part 🙂
jan : daisy janie
So, so, so cool! The older I get, the more I appreciate what created the circumstances for my life and my son’s life. My bro is a fanatical about it and has traced our roots to early 1500s in England. He’s going this summer to research some more!
skinnylaminx
Cool! Hope there he find there’s some wonderful country house that’s looking for an heir when he gets there. Why not dream big? 🙂 xx
Fatima
You should visit Boston. Plenty of Quaker history here 🙂